b) Luke could have easily known about the love notes sent to Luna.
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How would he know about those? Surely she would keep them in a safe location.
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d) Luke also has motive: If he kills Larry, frames it on Luna, then he can take over Cool COmpany.
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Then why didn't he do more to frame her? Note that she wasn't even the one arrested, and therefore his entire plan basically fell apart. He could have planted evidence of her existence at the crime scene. The only thing pointing to her is the note, and as you note yourself, it isn't decisive at all. Heck, I believe it's mentioned that Edgeworth knew about the note as well.
I'll look at other people's theories later, see if I see any logical flaws there.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:52 am
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The love notes were right there in the trash. Even Mia found them ^^'
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Ah. But you see- the love notes may be in the trash now, but there's no way to tell WHEN they were put there.
If they were put there recently, such as that night, them being in the trash proves nothing. In fact, they have to have been put there recently- after all, the trash can hasn't been cleaned out yet.
GOGO UMINEKO LOGIC.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:43 am
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But they were in the trash, which was not a secure location. So wherever they were before the trash may have also been unsafe too. You can't use it one way or the other to prove or disprove that Luke knew about it or not.
(However, the fact still stands that we didn't find them hidden away by Luna or something)
I still don't know what the story is, but I know one thing:
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I DON'T want it to be Luke, Luna, or Edgey. Because Not A Fake Name NEEDS to make an apperance. Think about it. Hazama/Not A Fake Name against you. Would it even be possible to win...?
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Yes, that's exactly correct. The purpose of the test is to test whether you have an understanding of the material, not if you've simply memorized it and can regurgitate it. In fact, I'm sure the reason he put the 'trick questions' on the test was in order to see who understood the material and was paying attention and who was simply memorizing facts without taking the time and effort to actually understand them.
Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:54 am
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But they were in the trash, which was not a secure location. So wherever they were before the trash may have also been unsafe too. You can't use it one way or the other to prove or disprove that Luke knew about it or not.
(However, the fact still stands that we didn't find them hidden away by Luna or something)
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But wait BP, remember- Luke was out, and had been out for a while, if I recall correctly. Luke needs to have known about them AT 11:00-1:00 AM (Going by the autopsy report), in order for that to be a motive. Because there is solid evidence that those were recently thrown in the trash, the argumentation that Luke could have known about them that way is pretty weak. (Hazama Clap)
I have a hunch as to why those were thrown in the trash, but I'm not allowed to be speculating. Besides, I'm not quite up-to-date yet.
Not allowed to. Blackrune apparently feels that I'd ruin it for people. Thus, I will respond and note things, but I can't give analyses or theories. Let me say though, that I feel like there are assumptions that you shouldn't be making. You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. (This was in the Contest thread, 2 pages ago I believe.) I was only allowed to PM Blackrune, the Mystery Sorcerer, with my ideas.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:01 am
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I'm talking more about BP, who I believe has been developing theories are to how the crime occurred. Your quick hypotheses and notes contain no real assumptions, nor complications. My apologies for the confusion. If you have posted a theory as to how the crime went down, sorry for missing/forgetting about it.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:04 am
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I never said that Luke found them while they were in the trash ~_~
If we're going to assume that the letter-writer was the murderer, then Luke would've needed to know about them a week beforehand.
Still, it's possible that Luna did write the letter to Larry, then Luke, Edgey, or Maria found out about it, and during that week went to the church and figured out a way to kill Larry with the perfect murder.
Why the letters were in the trash... Perhaps Luna went out to watch the test for herself, and when she saw that Larry failed, she went back to her office and threw the letters away in anger? Hmm....
I forget if I mentioned this already or not, but why was there such a long delay between the test/murder and the key getting taken...? Hmm....
*sigh* I'm just trying to bring this all together... I've obviously gotta make assumptions somewhere. If I didn't, the mystery would already be solved xD
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Luke paid off Edgey to tell Maria to set the clock 10 minutes early. This caused Larry to take the test 10 minutes early, causing him to end 10 minutes early. This made Luna think Larry failed the test, causing her to return to Luke.
...And, uh, Hazama then killed Larry for teh lulz. He confessed, right? (AND HE'S HIDING THE HEAD INJURY UNDER HIS HAT)
I never said that Luke found them while they were in the trash ~_~
If we're going to assume that the letter-writer was the murderer, then Luke would've needed to know about them a week beforehand.
Still, it's possible that Luna did write the letter to Larry, then Luke, Edgey, or Maria found out about it, and during that week went to the church and figured out a way to kill Larry with the perfect murder.
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Very true. I should have realized the thrust of your argument, that was my error. However, it must be noted- the point that the trash isn't secure is moot, because I doubt that she was trying to hide those letters there. The trash is not intended to be a secure location, therefore we can extrapolate nothing from their placement there.
Regarding that letter, we know that Edgey and Maria knew about it, if I'm remembering things right- Maria talked about the state that Larry was in after he recieved the letter, and how Edgey needed to calm him down. Now if Luke knew about it, we can't be sure.
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Why the letters were in the trash... Perhaps Luna went out to watch the test for herself, and when she saw that Larry failed, she went back to her office and threw the letters away in anger? Hmm....
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Theoretically possible. But then, what would the timeline be? Would she just see the light go out, and not the body? If so, how?
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*sigh* I'm just trying to bring this all together... I've obviously gotta make assumptions somewhere. If I didn't, the mystery would already be solved xD
I completely understand. The problem is that if you assume things that have not been 100% factually determined, you're going to run into problems. And the thing with locked rooms is that hidden in those assumptions is ALWAYS a trick.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:20 am
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Well, she could've seen the light go out and immediately run away. Then she wouldn't have seen the body or anything.
(And if she was out at the church at that time, she wouldn't have known about Edgey going to Cool Company...)
There are plenty of assumptions in the locked room, but it's just hard knowing which ones are the ones that are supposed to be cracked to break the locked room T_T If only I knew what the cage was for...
Also, @Blackrune
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When Hazama said that the victim's blood was on the book, did he mean it as "The results are back and it's his blood" or "I've logically deduced it's his blood"?
Well, she could've seen the light go out and immediately run away. Then she wouldn't have seen the body or anything.
(And if she was out at the church at that time, she wouldn't have known about Edgey going to Cool Company...)
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Yeah, that was the main option that was running through my mind. And yeah, no, she probably didn't go.
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There are plenty of assumptions in the locked room, but it's just hard knowing which ones are the ones that are supposed to be cracked to break the locked room T_T If only I knew what the cage was for...
Quite true. What I tend to do is jot down all the assumptions I can think of, get rid of the ones that obviously are true (the victim is dead, the victim didn't commit suicide, etc.), and then figure out if there are any left that could be questioned. However, do what you want. Just trying to help by giving advice.
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Also, @Blackrune
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When Hazama said that the victim's blood was on the book, did he mean it as "The results are back and it's his blood" or "I've logically deduced it's his blood"?
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I really want an answer to that too. I've been assuming the latter, because I barely trust a word Hazama says, and it feels like it was phrased in a more of a "this is my assumption" way than "this is a logical fact" way. But if it's the former, that's actually a huge dent in my theory. And if you say "I can't answer that", I'm going to scream.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:32 am
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Mia: Who did that blood belong to? Gumshoe: That's the thing, there isn't quite enough to run proper tests on it. Hazama: Detective, how long do you think they'll need to give us more substancial results? Gumshoe: I really don't know! Maybe we'll never know who that blood is from! Hazama: What a shame. Pathetic. Well, it's still decisive enough.
So, that HAS to have been Hazama being Hazama.
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