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kwando1313 Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:33 pm Posts: 4016 Location: Rokkenjima/Hope's Peak Academy/Jabberwock Island Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Français (un peu)	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage NihilisticNinja wrote: kwando1313 wrote: NihilisticNinja wrote: Spoiler : : How did Luke know that Larry would be at the church? (I won't say if I disagree, or if I want to see how far you can take this...) Spoiler : : There were the love letters Larry was sending in the garbage... Maybe he saw Luna writing the letter? Spoiler : : But that raises the question: Why on Earth would Luna write a letter to the man she's having an affair with, in a place where Luke could spot her? Keep in mind, the letter specifically said that she would break up with Luke if he passed this test. Spoiler : : Maybe Luke forged the letter and pretended to be Luna? After all, it seemed that Luke was a power hungry man. As well, you never introduce a character that you never see again... _________________ "Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak. "Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all. "I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra "@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1 Random Calvin and Hobbes Comic:
Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:52 am

Bad Player Joined: Wed May 20, 2009 10:53 pm Posts: 5349 Location: Under a bridge Gender: Male Spoken languages: American	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage NN, when did you solve this, anyway? ~_~ _________________ Turnabout Pairs - New Year's Turnabout - Turnabout Substitution - Silence of the Turnabout - English GK2 Playthrough Coming soon (credit to Midnight Jasper for logo)
Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:54 am

mAc Chaos Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:33 am Posts: 792 Location: Phyrexylvania Gender: Male Spoken languages: English	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage runs into luna rages furiously blackrune you owe me a new monitor _________________ The wolf knows what the ill heart thinks. BEHOLD, the ULTIMATE CASE: MACFIA, an epic journey through time and space.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:55 am

kwando1313 Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:33 pm Posts: 4016 Location: Rokkenjima/Hope's Peak Academy/Jabberwock Island Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Français (un peu)	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage mAc Chaos wrote: runs into luna rages furiously blackrune you owe me a new monitor Would you like to know more about monitors? _________________ "Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak. "Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all. "I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra "@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1 Random Calvin and Hobbes Comic:
Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:56 am

NihilisticNinja Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 359 Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Latin	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage kwando1313 wrote: Spoiler : : Maybe Luke forged the letter and pretended to be Luna? After all, it seemed that Luke was a power hungry man. As well, you never introduce a character that you never see again... Spoiler : : Hmm... makes sense. However, now we get to the crux of the problem- how could Luke have sneaked into that church? How could he have gotten his hands on a key? Bad Player wrote: NN, when did you solve this, anyway? ~_~ Heh. I'm not sure I have. I think I have the trick solved and a good chunk of it, but the details and timeline are still rather sketchy in my head. I haven't done a thorough analysis yet though, I may do that at the end of Trial former. Really, I'm just trying to think with you guys at the moment, and help you if I can. Because helping you might help me. I just started the Trial though, so we'll see if that helps. And I'm just saying- don't overthink it. The moment you start thinking that things are complicated, the moment you start losing. Blackrune doesn't write like van Dine, his cases are simple mysteries that are just supposed to LOOK complicated. _________________ "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."- Abraham Lincoln.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:14 am

kwando1313 Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:33 pm Posts: 4016 Location: Rokkenjima/Hope's Peak Academy/Jabberwock Island Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Français (un peu)	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage NihilisticNinja wrote: kwando1313 wrote: Spoiler : : Maybe Luke forged the letter and pretended to be Luna? After all, it seemed that Luke was a power hungry man. As well, you never introduce a character that you never see again... Spoiler : : Hmm... makes sense. However, now we get to the crux of the problem- how could Luke have sneaked into that church? How could he have gotten his hands on a key? Bad Player wrote: NN, when did you solve this, anyway? ~_~ Heh. I'm not sure I have. I think I have the trick solved and a good chunk of it, but the details and timeline are still rather sketchy in my head. I haven't done a thorough analysis yet though, I may do that at the end of Trial former. Really, I'm just trying to think with you guys at the moment, and help you if I can. Because helping you might help me. I just started the Trial though, so we'll see if that helps. And I'm just saying- don't overthink it. The moment you start thinking that things are complicated, the moment you start losing. Blackrune doesn't write like van Dine, his cases are simple mysteries that are just supposed to LOOK complicated. Spoiler : : My gut's telling me that Luke was the person that Peter hit... And that the door was never locked in the first place... But the only problem is... How was the door locked AFTER the murder happened? Unless... We are making a grave assumption... The body could not have been dropped while the candle was lit. If you remove that factor, the possibility of Luke being the murderer increases significantly. _________________ "Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak. "Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all. "I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra "@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1 Random Calvin and Hobbes Comic:
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:25 am

mAc Chaos Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:33 am Posts: 792 Location: Phyrexylvania Gender: Male Spoken languages: English	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage Are you a BB fan too, Blackrune? _________________ The wolf knows what the ill heart thinks. BEHOLD, the ULTIMATE CASE: MACFIA, an epic journey through time and space.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:28 am

NihilisticNinja Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 359 Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Latin	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage I KNEW THIS TRIAL WOULD BE INFORMATIVE. Sorry. Let us proceed. kwando1313 wrote: Spoiler : : My gut's telling me that Luke was the person that Peter hit... And that the door was never locked in the first place... But the only problem is... How was the door locked AFTER the murder happened? Unless... We are making a grave assumption... The body could not have been dropped while the candle was lit. If you remove that factor, the possibility of Luke being the murderer increases significantly. Spoiler : : Interesting. Any particular reason you suspect that, or is it pure instinct? So, you think that the door to the top of the tower was never locked? I'm intrigued. Why wouldn't it be? Questioning assumptions... I like it. But, then we hit a problem. How didn't nick and mia hear him fall/ keyboard malfunctioning. _________________ "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."- Abraham Lincoln.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:39 am

kwando1313 Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:33 pm Posts: 4016 Location: Rokkenjima/Hope's Peak Academy/Jabberwock Island Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Français (un peu)	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage NihilisticNinja wrote: :calisto: I KNEW THIS TRIAL WOULD BE INFORMATIVE. Sorry. Let us proceed. kwando1313 wrote: Spoiler : : My gut's telling me that Luke was the person that Peter hit... And that the door was never locked in the first place... But the only problem is... How was the door locked AFTER the murder happened? Unless... We are making a grave assumption... The body could not have been dropped while the candle was lit. If you remove that factor, the possibility of Luke being the murderer increases significantly. Spoiler : : Interesting. Any particular reason you suspect that, or is it pure instinct? So, you think that the door to the top of the tower was never locked? I'm intrigued. Why wouldn't it be? Questioning assumptions... I like it. But, then we hit a problem. How didn't nick and mia hear him fall/ keyboard malfunctioning. Spoiler : : The first one. Well, we know it most liekly was not Larry. It's most likely a guy. So, it's either Luke or Edgey. Edgey being the murderer sounds too... Obvious. I feel baited to tru and go down that path. Why do I think the door was never locked? Because it was an assumption we made. There is no proof that the door was locked pre-Butz's arrival? As well, Phoenix and Mia did not hear Butz's fall. They only knew something was wrong when the candle was blown out. _________________ "Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak. "Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all. "I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra "@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1 Random Calvin and Hobbes Comic:
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:46 am

NihilisticNinja Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 359 Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Latin	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage kwando1313 wrote: NihilisticNinja wrote: :calisto: I KNEW THIS TRIAL WOULD BE INFORMATIVE. Sorry. Let us proceed. kwando1313 wrote: Spoiler : : My gut's telling me that Luke was the person that Peter hit... And that the door was never locked in the first place... But the only problem is... How was the door locked AFTER the murder happened? Unless... We are making a grave assumption... The body could not have been dropped while the candle was lit. If you remove that factor, the possibility of Luke being the murderer increases significantly. Spoiler : : Interesting. Any particular reason you suspect that, or is it pure instinct? So, you think that the door to the top of the tower was never locked? I'm intrigued. Why wouldn't it be? Questioning assumptions... I like it. But, then we hit a problem. How didn't nick and mia hear him fall/ keyboard malfunctioning. Spoiler : : The first one. Well, we know it most liekly was not Larry. It's most likely a guy. So, it's either Luke or Edgey. Edgey being the murderer sounds too... Obvious. I feel baited to tru and go down that path. Why do I think the door was never locked? Because it was an assumption we made. There is no proof that the door was locked pre-Butz's arrival? As well, Phoenix and Mia did not hear Butz's fall. They only knew something was wrong when the candle was blown out. Spoiler : : 1st: Decent logical deduction. But, why is it likely to not be Larry? Now the question- why didn't they hear him? There is indeed no proof of that. That is a valid point. However, I want to get the timeline of your theory straight: Larry enters. Luke Atmey is waiting for him in the room, because the door was unlocked. He then kills Larry while the candle was still lit. However, then, why did the candle go out? If he put it out, how did he escape from the chapel? _________________ "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."- Abraham Lincoln.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:56 am

kwando1313 Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:33 pm Posts: 4016 Location: Rokkenjima/Hope's Peak Academy/Jabberwock Island Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Français (un peu)	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage NihilisticNinja wrote: kwando1313 wrote: NihilisticNinja wrote: :calisto: I KNEW THIS TRIAL WOULD BE INFORMATIVE. Spoiler : : Interesting. Any particular reason you suspect that, or is it pure instinct? So, you think that the door to the top of the tower was never locked? I'm intrigued. Why wouldn't it be? Questioning assumptions... I like it. But, then we hit a problem. How didn't nick and mia hear him fall/ keyboard malfunctioning. Spoiler : : The first one. Well, we know it most liekly was not Larry. It's most likely a guy. So, it's either Luke or Edgey. Edgey being the murderer sounds too... Obvious. I feel baited to tru and go down that path. Why do I think the door was never locked? Because it was an assumption we made. There is no proof that the door was locked pre-Butz's arrival? As well, Phoenix and Mia did not hear Butz's fall. They only knew something was wrong when the candle was blown out. Spoiler : : 1st: Decent logical deduction. But, why is it likely to not be Larry? Now the question- why didn't they hear him? There is indeed no proof of that. That is a valid point. However, I want to get the timeline of your theory straight: Larry enters. Luke Atmey is waiting for him in the room, because the door was unlocked. He then kills Larry while the candle was still lit. However, then, why did the candle go out? If he put it out, how did he escape from the chapel? Spoiler : : Just wondering, have you finished the Trial Former? If you have, it doesn't really make sense for Larry to have been hot. Unless I did not remember something correctly. >.< As for the candle going out, maybe it was just the wind? After opening the window and escaping, the wind blew the candle out? _________________ "Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak. "Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all. "I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra "@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1 Random Calvin and Hobbes Comic:
Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:03 am

NihilisticNinja Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 359 Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Latin	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage kwando1313 wrote: NihilisticNinja wrote: Spoiler : : 1st: Decent logical deduction. But, why is it likely to not be Larry? Now the question- why didn't they hear him? There is indeed no proof of that. That is a valid point. However, I want to get the timeline of your theory straight: Larry enters. Luke Atmey is waiting for him in the room, because the door was unlocked. He then kills Larry while the candle was still lit. However, then, why did the candle go out? If he put it out, how did he escape from the chapel? Spoiler : : Just wondering, have you finished the Trial Former? If you have, it doesn't really make sense for Larry to have been hot. Unless I did not remember something correctly. >.< As for the candle going out, maybe it was just the wind? After opening the window and escaping, the wind blew the candle out? Spoiler : : No, I haven't finished T former, actually. But, actually, you don't need to have finished the trial former to know that it was an impossibility. I hope it doesn't sound like I'm bragging. If it does, I'm sorry. The only reason why I said it, is because the reason why I felt like it was already an impossibility is actually a pretty big clue. Think about why I could have thought that Stickler hitting him with his Bible was impossible. What does it contradict? (All this may be addressed in T1. If so, sorry for being behind the times.) _________________ "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."- Abraham Lincoln.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:10 am

Gumpei Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:39 am Posts: 2782 Location: Gynos, the Queen's Capital Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Al Bhed	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage Yeah, I couldn't sleep, so I went ahead and finished Trial Former. Absolutely. Amazing. I haven't felt this compelled to play a case in a long time. WHERE'S MY PART 3? _________________ Ikethelord3 wrote: Then you must have the most delicious toilet ever. SEAN HOWARD QUOTE OF THE WEEK: "A wise person once said... something... I dunno... I wasn't really listening." Engaged to Blader~ TKinhonipei is so awesome for being everything that I've always wished for. <3 7:01:27 PM.11:59:59 AM Escappy Sex in the oven 7:01:46 PM.11:59:59 AM Blackrune Finally something normal
Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:54 am

NihilisticNinja Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 359 Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Latin	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage Spoiler : Help : Ugh, this is incredibly embarrassing, but can somebody help me with CE 2? I can't seem to crack it for some reason, even though the contradiction is apparently obvious? _________________ "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."- Abraham Lincoln.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:03 am

Gumpei Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:39 am Posts: 2782 Location: Gynos, the Queen's Capital Gender: Male Spoken languages: English, Al Bhed	Re: [C] Trial: Turnabout of Courage EDIT: Spoiler : : SERIOUSLY sorry about that. Totally forgot about the one that came before it. Anyway, think about WHY Burg thought he was a 'demon'. _________________ Ikethelord3 wrote: Then you must have the most delicious toilet ever. SEAN HOWARD QUOTE OF THE WEEK: "A wise person once said... something... I dunno... I wasn't really listening." Engaged to Blader~ TKinhonipei is so awesome for being everything that I've always wished for. <3 7:01:27 PM.11:59:59 AM Escappy Sex in the oven 7:01:46 PM.11:59:59 AM Blackrune Finally something normal Last edited by Gumpei on Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
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