Evening, ladies and gents. Today I would like to show you theWhiteWolfos and my (VICTORIOUS) trial for BBblader and Koopakirby's case competition Canon? Screw Canon!, A Pre-Emptive Turnabout.
As the contest name suggests, this is a non-canon alternate universe trial. If this offends you, please leave.
One tiny change, and so much becomes different, and yet so the same...
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Sorry, trial is currently down for overhaul. It will be back as soon as possible.
Also, screenshots!
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If you really need it...
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Prologue: If you can’t get through this on your own, you must leave this site and never return.
Part 1: Court Cross-Examination: Facts of the Crime Press “We received a 911 call around 10:02 PM.” Press “We arrived a few minutes after that.” Press “She had been struck in the head with a statue from the office… “The Thinker.” Press “Diego Armando was in the back room. He had been shot.” Press “We discovered evidence suggesting Maya Fey murdered Armando…” Present Key at “No one except the victims and the defendants could have entered the office. Cross-Examination: What Happened Press “… and was struck in the head. I blacked out…” Present Office Diagram at “…fell on the couch…” Cross-Examination: The Attack Present Mia Photo or Mia Profile at “…strike the white-haired girl in the head!” Present Mia Photo or Office Diagram at “So her wig slipped! I still saw the attack!” Present Phone Number at “Why would I lie? I didn’t even know the victims!”
Part 2: Investigation Edgeworth's Office Talk: Court Today Move: Hickfield Clinic Talk: Court Talk: Fifteen Years Ago Criminal Affairs Talk: The Case at Hand Talk: DL-6 Move: Hickfield Clinic Talk: Edgeworth's Arrest Move: Armando & Co. Law Offices Talk: What We're Looking For Examine: Poster Talk: Secret Files Move: Grossberg Law Offices Psyche-Locks: Present: Redd White Present: Secret Files Present: DL-6 File Talk: Blackmail Move: Detention Center
Part 3: Court Cross-Examination: Edgeworth’s Motive Present Phoenix or Edgeworth at “Therefore, he hired De Killer to get revenge for the loss of his perfect record. Present Bloody Note or De Killer File Present Redd White Present April May or April’s Background Check Cross-Examination Present Secret Files at “I bet you don’t even have any evidence saying I was involved!” Present De Killer Card, Bloody Note, or De Killer File
Note: This trial is the start of a series called Wright, Fey & Co. and will get a sequel, currently known as Turnabout Retribution, and likely a slight redoing, as this was made in about a month. This redo/expansion will be referred to as "A Pre-Emptive Turnabout Gold Edition", while the current form is "A Pre-Emptive Turnabout Classic."
Contains sort-of spoilers for several cases in AA1, AA2 and AA3, particularly 1-2 and 1-4. Please avoid saying plot twists without spoiler tags.
Furthermore, We now have a trailer for Case 2: Turnabout Retribution
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:52 pm
Thursday
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I've only played the prologue so far, but for something made in a month, it's pretty well-done!
The prologue sets everything up well, and there are only a couple errors. Really the only one I could remember is that you've forgotten to set female voices
Looking forward to the rest of your trial
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:34 am
clcman
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Yeah, I'm not big on the whole male/female voice thing. But the prologue didn't get much love once I started on parts 1 and 2, so it should get even better.
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:17 am
kwando1313
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Good! You made a [C] page. IE: I can discuss this here and not spoil stuff on the contest page!
Anyways... Played it through and I'll give a wall of text few comments about the case here.
Spoiler : PLEASE DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU'VE FINISHED THE CASE!!!! :
Anyways... for a first case, this was pretty well done. However, there were a few things that... miffed me.
1. The prologue could use some a) Interactivity. For about a few hundred frames, it was just me clicking on that red arrow. b) For the black screen prologue, you should have used wait timers. It seems kind of... off to click. 2. The mentor relationship between Phoenix and Diego seem kind of... lacking? There wasn't really any buildup at all, and it seemed quite empty. Maybe you could do a prequel case after this to buff up the relation? 3. April May's appearance in the trial seemed very abrupt, also, only one testimony? (Albeit, there were 3 contradictions.) It just seemed really abrupt from being the "happy" April May to "angry" April May. 4. The sudden appearance of Damon Gant, Detective Goodman, Angel Starr, Kristoph Gavin, and Ema Skye. Aight. It just felt like... fodder? They didn't really add to the story in any shape way or form, and their appearances felt forced. 5. The trial (as in the trial section of Day 2) was... a bit short.(But given you did this in one month, it's quite good.) Also, Manfred von Karma didn't really put up much of a fight. His performance was a bit lacking. 6. The whole Shelly de Killer thing seemed kind of forced as well. As well, it seemed like the trial kind of lost its focus from the murder to why did Edgeworth hire Shelly de Killer. As a result, it seems that are lots of holes in the logic. 7. (This one is quite minor) The lack of optional examinations. (ex: Charley the plant, etc.)
Now that we're out of that "icky" part, let me write what I thought was good about the trial: 1. The plot was quite good. Interesting concept of having milk in the coffee leading to such a dramatic shift in the reality of the PW universe. 2. The script writing was quite good as well. 3. The characters were generally in character. (I know this sounds really redundant but...) 4. The twist you ended it on was... quite interesting. 5. I liked how Gumshoe arrested Phoenix for "tax evasion" and "obstruction of justice".
Anyways... This case was quite a good case for a beginner (though really, I shouldn't be talking as I haven't made any cases myself.) Good concept, good idea, but I think it needs a bit more polish (but granted, you had 1 month to do this trial) Also, please don't let the fact that there are more "negatives" than positives bear any meaning upon what I said. I was just pointing out some minor nitpicky stuff. The positives weighed much more into my consideration than the negatives. Also, why on earth am I being so formal? >.<
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:33 am
clcman
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Yeah. Towards the end (especially Part 3) I had to start cutting stuff like crazy (dropping Kristoph's cross-examination, April's second, White's second, Angel's cross-examination and reducing the end to a couple of s) because of time pressure. However, the second case uses the guest stars much more. (And Kristoph's appearance becomes very important.)
Spoiler : :
The De Killer thing did make it tough to catch White on a contradiction, since 90% of the evidence was from the scene itself, which White never went to.
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:49 am
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"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:02 pm
clcman
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"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:46 pm
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Someone broke the trial... >.< As for Von Karma evilness, you need to have objections on every press, testimonies without ANY contradictions, pseudo game overs, etc. Make it as impossible to win as possible.
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"Another thing they are trying to do is cut all the hard words out of the English language." -Simple English Wikipedia 1984 on Newspeak.
"Soccer is like chess, only without the dice." -Lukas Podolski
Q. You're a machine then? ROGER FEDERER: No, I'm not at all.
Q: Dear Roger, if there was one rule of tennis you could alter, what would it be? ROGER FEDERER: A rule that would only let ME serve from the service line. Whenever I want. Seems fair to me
"I didn't know that brown cheese burns so well," -Kjell Bjoern Vinje
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it." -Yogi Berra
"@Ryan_Kesler @kbieksa3 hey leave my French buddy alone.....Its not his fault....I don't understand him when he speaks French either " -@strombone1
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:56 pm
clcman
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"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:05 pm
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clcman's not online and I can't get past the first CE of part 3... Kwando, can you help me out?
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Bad Player wrote:
Yes, that's exactly correct. The purpose of the test is to test whether you have an understanding of the material, not if you've simply memorized it and can regurgitate it. In fact, I'm sure the reason he put the 'trick questions' on the test was in order to see who understood the material and was paying attention and who was simply memorizing facts without taking the time and effort to actually understand them.
Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:45 am
Koopakirby
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Please put that in spoiler tags. It spoils the appearance of many characters.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:09 am
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Also, the first Gold Edition Update is in the works. It looks like at least 3 additional cross-examinations, a little more evidence, and a tiny bit of additional investigation.
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" -Issac Asimov
"For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." -H. L. Mencken
Not every problem can be solved with C4. Just all the important ones.
BBblader wrote:
I think the term "ED" is going to be replaced with "clc". Seriously, the guy did more in one month than all of you did in three. AND HE JUST JOINED. That's just heroic.
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s) because of time pressure. However, the second case uses the guest stars much more. (And Kristoph's appearance becomes very important.)
